Lawyer and political pundit George Conway said he does not think Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis will run for president against Donald Trump in 2024, according to Insider.

In an appearance on MSNBC on Sunday, Conway said he thought DeSantis would reconsider a 2024 run since any fight with the former president would be “brutal.”

“The way you take on Trump is to go after him hammer and tong, and Trump is going to go right back,” said Conway, a political commentator married to Trump aide Kellyanne Conway. “It’s going to be the mud fest to end all mud fests. And for DeSantis, I don’t see what the upside is for him to do that.”

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“Even if DeSantis does succeed in knocking off Trump, he will end up with some significant percentage of the Republican base angry at him,” he said.

Conway added that he thought the newly re-elected Florida governor would continue to raise money and build a “massive war chest.” He speculated that DeSantis will leave open the possibility of running, then wait until the 2028 race to become the “leading candidate” for the GOP.